Postagens Originais do John Titor (Parte 3)

Posted by Grant Nelson on 02-02-2001 07:20 PM

James wrote “John, I applaud your story. It would make for a great book or Hollywood movie.”
James. it did ! good prediction from one remote viewer. [ IT, the
movez: was popularized in late 20th century good returns at the box
office and widely circulated on illegal DVD discs . Just before the
lights went out in 2001 it played to appreciative audiences in LA &

John, I been thinking about the "fission" trip and wanted to tell
you about one of my favorite places. I always try and land on the Shell
Mound just north of Cedar Key every so many seconds.
For some reason it always works. Minimal distortion. Maybe its because
the People have eaten oysters on this spot of 10 x 4 years or maybe
more if one believes the Miami Circle evidence. Why just the other day
some neighbors were burning some ol' logs they got out of the drying up
lake bed and you know what ? The arch*e*olo*gee people landed like
***** on **** and wanted to know what the ++++ they were doing burning
thousand year old native american dug out canoes for to keep warm. in
the oil crisis.

They said a "little child" had told them to do it. Noonans Lake.
General Noonan was only there for ten days during the last Civil War.
The People enjoyed this land for many many many moons. Go figure. 10
days 10,000 years. is this a log factor ?

You could send me the current GPS co ordinates for where I'm talking
about and also set your cessium clock to remind you where to meet up in
2036. Since you been there and done that I will let you pick a day. My
birthday for example.

note that I have email and am a real person, unlike some journalists you may have encountered.
You all come on over and visit while I'm here. grant
PS Maybe the only place [bicycle distance] in 1976 to go for
computer tech was either U.F. Gainesville or up Tallahassee way. You
know, where the high energy magnetics lab is located? In 1976 you would
have maybe dealt with NERD*c or some such entity. Welcome back.

[Edited by Grant Nelson on 02-02-2001 at 07:45 PM]

Posted by Anthony D’Amato on 02-02-2001 07:30 PM
Hi I am from Beliviue, looking for John Titor.

Posted by Craig Cuthbert on 02-03-2001 09:09 AM
John – read your page. Guess you’re saying the troubles we avoid(ed)
during the Y2K scare might be seen as similar to the consequences of
not having had Pearl Harbor saved.

—”This is one example of a theory involving “time shells”
progressing in size and intensity around a gravitational point from all
matter. The more massive the object, the larger and more influential
the time shells around it (like an onion). —

Like an isobaric map of potential time lines and “intentions”.
“Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future.
I’m not sure I like many of us right now.

Posted by Craig Cuthbert on 02-03-2001 09:15 AM
Exclusive of everyone here, that is. :-)

Posted by Mel Reckling on 02-03-2001 09:29 AM
Two more questions. Is there official disclosure or any sudden
revelations in the area of an ET prescence and how is the world view of
our space in the whole scheme of things. In other words do we by 2036
know for sure we’re not alone? I do remember who won the triple crown
about 30 years ago; Secretariat in 1973, also I think Affirmed did it
in 1978. I don’t think it has been done since. I have no way to prosper
from knowing whether GW makes it through his presidency, I just thought
it would be a good question. Odds are in your favor to say he doesn’t.
I’m just trying to formulate non-invasive ways to see if you are who
you say you are. I have a keen interest in this amazing field and
unfortunately we have seen too many people who, if you are for real,
have made it difficult for you. To tell you the truth I hope you are
for real.

Posted by Kevin Spooner on 02-04-2001 11:37 PM Question
But then I suppose anyone dealing in transvectoring across multiple
timeflows eventually crosses itself in the fore or aft directions. We
know that time is a maleable product and so too are the options of this
linear flow. So then… if that is the case how could one establish
that *this* timeline is *the* prime and all the others are variants
that may cross on periods like a biorhythym. More I suspect they are
all prime in and of themselves and we simply have attached to this
particular one.

Personally I like the Spiritualist ideal of pre-physical choice – I
chose to be here, I chose this existence, extending that to…I chose
this timeline. Maybe also their perspective of being a part of God
within their own makeup to the extent of being able to choose futures
is also evident – how do you know you have not cognitely chosen your
personal direction a billion times and not even realised at this moment
all the choices you have made along time to get to this point thus far.

Its a bit like realising that what to Spirit are Spiritual powers
is in the weaker sense to the Physical (us) with its Psychic powers…
we only know so much but in the Spiritual worlds we know so much
more… consciousness expansion.

Just my tuppence inbetween our venerable TT’s absence. Cheers all.

Posted by John Michael Davis on 02-05-2001 12:38 AM Talking
I don’t believe in the possibility of time travel – the transendence
of time/space a total other framed reference but an individual
revelation that really translates everyday realities – then but to
visit the age of the dinasours on some planet – that would to me be
traveling time – veiwing our own development on swell universal
fractals – and we are the et’s – syncronizing galactic calandrical
systems – what of the machine – that we have been born here – living
the first years of our lives among them – room and board – all at once
and eternal.

Posted by Kevin Spooner on 02-05-2001 01:28 AM
Really? If you do not believe in Time travel then I suggest for
discussion that you CHOOSE not to believe. Do you believe in ET’s or
UFO’s – choices. Do you believe that the rest of the world or the known
universe exists – choices. Do you believe you were born of sin -
choices. You choose not to believe – this is not the same as the
ability for it to exist.

Ah then the critic would say… ok TT… demonstrate. Yes I’d love
a demonstration – but more – the specifics on its design and a guide on
correct ethics and use. I have not seen a Time Travel device that I am
aware of – but that does not mean I do not believe – especially in the

All things can be created, all things can be – the difference is I
chose not to make the choice of yes or no – I believe or I don’t until
it slaps me like a wet fish.

And where is our venerable TT John T? Hope you are well friend -
and yes, I was very serious about ethics and technology. But alas, all
requests have met with zero in my hands to work with. But still – I
choose to be patient.

Posted by Craig Cuthbert on 02-05-2001 07:30 AM
Potential Hazard of being a Time Traveler — Always putting things off until you can “get back” to doing them. LOL

Posted by John Titor on 02-05-2001 11:28 AM
As far as the war goes, my best advice is to find at least 5 people within 100 miles of you that you trust with your life.
No, I haven’t met any other time travelers here and although from my
perspective that’s highly unlikely, it’s not impossible. No, I don’t
have any additional information concerning crop circles, ETs or UFOs. I
find those subjects rather interesting myself and it’s one of the
reasons I was drawn to this web site.

((Can you give us some brief personal stories of your past? For
instance, in relation to history what were some of your growing up

I was born in 1998 so I do share some childhood memories with all
of you. I remember going to Disney World at Christmas and I remember
going to the beach in Daytona.
When the civil “conflict” started and got worse, people generally
decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil
rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more
isolated and rural areas. Our home was searched once and the neighbor
across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced
my father to leave the city.

From the age of 8 to 12, we lived away from the cities and spent most
of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict
with the federal police and national guard. By that time, it was pretty
clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division
between the “cities” and the “country” was well defined. My father made
a living by putting together 12-volt electrical systems and sailing
“commodities” up and down the coast of Florida. I spent most of my time
helping him.

Outright open fighting was common by then and I joined a shotgun
infantry unit in 2011. I served with the “Fighting Diamondbacks” for
about 4 years. (Hearing in my right ear isn’t as good as I would like
it). The civil war ended in 2015 when Russia attacked the U.S. cities
(our enemy), China and Europe. As unusual and bad as my childhood might
seem, I wouldn’t trade it for anything.

Africa is not a pleasant place to be in 2036 although I would characterize it as recovering.
The music you enjoy now is quite popular and available it’s just
not produced in anywhere near the same amount. There is a revival of
“local” and classical music. Many people have learned to play their
own. I personally enjoy Big Band, some Classical and interesting
lyrical pieces from the 1970s and 1980s.

((if time travel is possible, what does that do to the reilgious?
If I exist on many time lines, which one is really me? Did God create
one “me”, or many “me’s”))

This is an excellent question that causes a great deal of
controversy. Since every possible outcome, event and possibility is
happening and will happen, then all good and all evil balances out in
the superverse. After the reality of multiple worlds sank into our
collective thought, the one basic change to all religious dogma is the
concept that good and evil does not exist as an organized force in our
lives nor can it be used as a useful way to judge what God may think of
a situation. Good and evil are personal experiences that can only guide
what we do as individuals and how we relate to others. This outlook
also makes it impossible for me to judge any other person or event. We
cannot see the entire universe as God sees it therefore we will never
be Gods or be capable of judging anything outside of ourselves. My
actions can only be judged as good and bad by me and my God.

There is also an area of thought that maintains all of the “yous” out
there will make up the “you” that eventually returns to God. In that
manner, it is frustrating to know that you are capable of and acting on
all of the thoughts and ideas you have regardless of what the “you”
here is doing. How good or evil do you think you can be?

There is even an idea (supported in physics apparently but I have a
hard time with this one) that there is some sort of communication going
on between all of the “yous” that are out there. Some people think that
memories, intuition and conscious are actually attempts by one version
of “you” to talk to another.

Yes, we still have football and you will easily recognize it in 2036.
I am posting here because I enjoy talking with people without
having to hide who I am, it’s safe for me and my family and I can
gather historical information from you and the web.

Yes, I have superiors. However, from their perspective, I will only
have been gone a split second. The only real risk I am taking is
spending too long outside my main line and risking a probability error
(dying, accident, etc.). Based on the physics of gravity displacement,
I can’t leave when I ever I want anyway and I do have some leeway into
how I conduct my mission.

It is impossible for me to change any worldline that I am not on.
Nothing I do here will affect my home. The “60 year flux” is a
limitation of my machine, not of physics. Jet planes can’t fly into
space, my machine is not reliable past a 60 + year destination.

You’ve been to Cedar Key? You must be aware I don’t know any
personal information about you. If I was just going to guess, I would
say it’s important to avoid the rattlesnake or you might be “walking”
back to shore. You may be happy to know that although the bridge is
gone, Cedar Key is still there.

The computer is from 1975, Rochester Mn.
Yes, the Pearl Harbor example relates to Y2K. Have you considered
that I might already have accidentally screwed up your worldline?

((Potential Hazard of being a Time Traveler — Always putting things off until you can “get back” to doing them.))
What’s even worse is having the ability to go back and help the “you” there and you won’t listen to yourself.

Posted by James Boley on 02-05-2001 01:32 PM
Is there any sort of a log in your machine to show where and when you stopped? Will your superiors check that?
Is there crimes against time? Can you get in trouble for altering a time line?
Philisophical question. While in your alleged time travels you meet
a man an convince him to go somewhere with you, causing him not to meet
his future wife. Because of this a certain child is not born, and
denied existance. Are you guilty because of this change? You may have
known this unborn child in the future. It may have even been your

And if that child would grow up to stop this civil war in the
future, and mankind is better for it (no doubt saving several of your
friends and family members), would you feel guilty?

Maybe this is a better question. Does what happen here affect your future?

Posted by John Titor on 02-05-2001 02:09 PM
Yes, there is a log and my report and debriefing will agree with it. I have no reason to lie about where I am and why I’m here.
There are no crimes against time. However, if I were to go on some
sort of a murder spree and I admitted it when I returned, then I would
be held responsible for the crime of murder.

I am no more able to affect your worldline than you are. Yes, I
could make the changes you suggested but you must remember that there
are an infinite number of worldlines out there where I didn’t and I
don’t. In fact, there’s even a worldline out there where you’re the
time traveler and I’m the one writing the question.

I think the war would be good for you and your society. I don’t want to stop it.
Nothing I do here will affect any other worldline. “My” original
worldline will always be the same and yes I can make changes here that
would make this worldline different from mine but so can you.

Posted by Chris McWhirt on 02-05-2001 05:56 PM
1) What effect will following technologies have
quantum computers
fuel cells
2) WHich GE group builds time machine?

Posted by Mike Kolesnik on 02-05-2001 07:48 PM
… and how many Suckers he reels in!
People, I can’t belive your gullibility.
Please apply some basic Common Sense, Logic
and a detective’s view of “John’s” statements.
Before I waste more of my precious time uncovering this Fakir I
need some help from any of you. I’m looking for at least ONE post where
the poster has gone thru “John’s” statements and found some
contradictions. (there are MANY)

I need to know if any of you are worth saving from this *Prophet*
Who is “John”?
1. A bored college student (or group) on a dare or assignment?
2. A former Y2k doom and gloomer finding a new flock?
3. A Member of Skeptical Enquirer playing an early April Fool’s Joke?
4. A mentally disturbed individual enjoying his 15 minutes of Fame?
5. I real time traveller? (HA! see below)
Some Items:
(In spite of Star Trek storylines)
1. There are NO “alternate worldlines” There are ONLY Possibilities
and Probabilities. One of the Possibilities MAY occur and, one and ONLY
one of the Probabilities WILL occur. There are NO multiple worldlines,
histories, or whatever occuring at this or any time. There are no
proven, half-proven, or .001% proven data for multiple Earths.

There are only Star Trekein blabberings.
Once an event occurs it NEVER changes( except for What special happenings?- you should know this John!)
2. Hey “John”, show me the symbol and formula for the relationship
between Gravity and Magnetism. It should be child’s play for you and a
fundamental part of ANY TT machine. It is Quite simple.

3. I know a certain FACT about time travel, you haven’t mentioned
it and it is an absolutely VITAL part of TT. Tell me what it is. I’ll
give you a hint: It has TWO special requirements!


Posted by Kathleen Sander on 02-05-2001 11:15 PM
Do you live within the vicinity of your 2-year old self? Have you
seen yourself face to face or do you have any intentions of doing so?

Posted by Kevin Spooner on 02-06-2001 04:05 AM Angry
Dear Mike Kolesnik,
Either you are a person who knows about time travel in the flesh so to
speak or you contradict yourself by making out hat you do. You have
challenged John Titor into revealing specific answers which you claim
to have current knowledge of. Further you make yourself out to be some
kind of ‘saviour’ wondering if any of us require ‘saving’ so long as we
meet your expectations of us. Even more you state there are
contradictions in John’s writing.

Personally I don’t need saving from you and in fact I am not
following lines of gullability. Rather I too have asked direct
questions and placed challenges to all time travelers.

Further, any segmented regular writing of this nature on any BBS
will create natural discrepencies – even I suspect in your own and mine
to boot. Such is life in the slow lane with us mere mortals.

Please place here you seal of Godliness incarnate for others to
marvel at and rather than attack others (which is not in keeping with
fair play) please feel free to join our quest for knowledge… which I
suspect you are attempting to do in a rather vicious manner.

God bless and may knowledge strike us like a wet fish soon !

Posted by Craig Cuthbert on 02-06-2001 06:05 AM
I’m trying to figure out why I haven’t seen Mike Kolesnik’s name in
any of the esteemed journals that debate Time Travel. You know, the
one’s chaired by graduates of MIT, Princeton, Yale, Stanford…? Surely
having the answers to the nature of *”reality” would be worth pursuing
with others whose careers are based on research. Isn’t this the same
type of reasoning used by debunkers against anything THEY find

C’mon Mike, unsnit those panties and ask yourself why you care whether this is true or not.
AS far as Mr. Titor is concerned … How do you finance your
excursion? I would venture its not totally on the level with current
financial accounting procedures.

That said, I apologize, though I feel I have to withhold some of my
investigative curiosities, as I have a niece who is exactly your age
and I could sense the possibility of a confluence that at this point
which could precipitate greater than expected divergences.

Around the mid-nineties I came to my conclusion re: the “isobaric”
nature of both gravity and time. Like anything, I suspect the gradients
involved are miniscule by our finite standards, though 10% or 15%
divergence over 60 years sounds about right.

* “There are NO “alternate worldlines” There are ONLY Possibilities
and Probabilities. One of the Possibilities MAY occur and, one and ONLY
one of the Probabilities WILL occur. There are NO multiple worldlines,
histories, or whatever occuring at this or any time. There are no
proven, half-proven, or .001% proven data for multiple Earths.”

Posted by John Titor on 02-06-2001 06:35 AM
[[[ATTENTION! The following is a secret message for all mindless
robot slaves controlled by time travelers. If you are unable to read
this, please disregard it. This is an emergency, can someone do me a
favor and look up everything they can find on Maxwell’s equations,
relativity and the formulas for volts and amps. I left all my physics
books back in the time machine…and remember, just because I control
your mind doesn’t mean I think you’re an idiot. MESSAGE OVER.]]]

Yes, there are significant advances in computer science. It’s
interesting how easy it is to be fixated on the “machine” itself
without any curiosity about many of the support systems. This is not
really big news but if / then is out and if /then /maybe is in.

Yes I am with the “me” on this worldline and he is three now. I
find that fact to be rather hard for people to get along with so I
don’t bring it up directly. This is the second time I have “met

The “machine” is owned by the military. I am part of a unit
stationed in Tampa Florida. The real energy is in creating the machine,
not operating it. It’s interesting you should bring up the divergence
percentage. You may find it…entertainingly interesting to know that the
divergence can be more accurate with more sensitive gravity sensors and
clocks. The C206 uses 6 Cesium clocks and an active method of timing
the changes in the atom.

Posted by James Boley on 02-06-2001 06:47 AM
Why does your kind time travel?
You mentioned that in the future, or in your future for the sake of
the arguement, that you still believe in God. How does God play in
these infinite number of ‘time lines’. Are there infinite number of
Gods? One for each timeline?

How does a persons soul play into this? Are you suggesting there are infinite number of my souls around?

Posted by Charlotte Boren on 02-06-2001 07:11 AM
(1) Who wins the Triple Crown for the next 20 years?
(2) Who will be elected president for the next 20 years?
(3) Will there still be Harley-Davidsons around when you are born?
(4) Please list the price of gold for the last 20 of your years and
I can tell you the condition of the stock market in the future.

(5) Will it still be fairly lawful for me to own and use handguns when are beginning your time travel adventures?
(6) Is it possible for you to bump into yourself when you are time
travelling? Saw a Jean Claude Van Dam movie about that once. I think it
was called “Time Cop”. Whatever you do, don’t shake hands with
yourself, if you do meet. You melt.

(7) I go on vacation in May. Can I go with you the next time you
leap? I have an ex-husband I want to punch in the nose when he walks up
to the 1981 me the first time we met and says “Hi.” I’ll get the 1981
me pushed out of the way with a 1981 broom or something. It won’t take
much to convince the 1981 me that this is the 2001 her. I know her past
too well—regrets and happiest moments. (Wonders if Scott Bakula is
just as cute today as he was in “Quantum Leap”.)

[Edited by Charlotte Boren on 02-06-2001 at 07:23 AM]

Posted by John Titor on 02-06-2001 08:33 AM
We time travel to solve problems. A great deal of effort is going into repairing the environment and infrastructure.
I think there is only one God. I also think that our soul may be a
combination of all the collective thoughts and actions of the infinite
“yous”. If that is true, it becomes very difficult to define death
until all worldlines come to an end.

[(1) Who wins the Triple Crown for the next 20 years?]
I don’t know. Even if I did, you could stop the horse(s) anyway and make it untrue.
(2) Who will be elected president for the next 20 years?
Please see number 2.
(3) Will there still be Harley-Davidsons around when you are born?
I was born in 1998.
(4) Please list the price of gold for the last 20 of your years and
I can tell you the condition of the stock market in the future.

I don’t understand the importance of this type of information. Please
tell me your opnion why this is interesting and worth remembering for
30 years.

(5) Will it still be fairly lawful for me to own and use handguns when are beginning your time travel adventures?
I thought owning a handgun was legal in the United States? Yes, being
familiar with firearms (along with the other responsibilities of the
Constitution) becomes an important part of people’s lives in thirty

(6) Is it possible for you to bump into yourself when you are time
travelling? Saw a Jean Claude Van Dam movie about that once. I think it
was called “Time Cop”. Whatever you do, don’t shake hands with
yourself, if you do meet.

Yes that is possible and there are no limitations on interacting
with them. I find it interesting that there is some sort of collective
negativity with the idea of doing that. Could it be that we are not
really that comfortable with ourselves and therefore we cannot imagine
meeting, liking or helping another one of us on another worldline?

(7) I go on vacation in May. Can I go with you on your journys through time? Anybody else want to go along?
I could probably manage three people with me. However, I would have
to dump a great deal of archival material to get you in. I’m not sure
you would like 2036 very much.

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